tonicci 2 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 16 hours ago, Furio said: Ciao, gli impianti elettrici dei Carraro non sono costruiti con cura, sono esposti a umidità e polvere: considerando i problemi che lamenti io inizierei a controllare e pulire bene tutti i contatti di fusibili, elettrovalvole, relè e cablaggi, a mio avviso i problemi sono da cercare in quelle parti. Una volta risolto fai una sostituzione di tutto l'olio idraulico, con accurata pulizia dei filtri in linea. Di più non so cosa dirti. Thank you. I will look electronics. I think workshop manual would be worth of diamonds. Now i dont have even operators manual, not even sparepart catalog... no any flow diagrams... no schematics... big slow down... This must be rare tractos as only german prochure can be founded.. Have to follow from reverse pedal to wheels step by step, where power stops. My feeling without any investigation would be:- some valve in hydraulic transmission. Mechanically or Relay valve maybe change the flow direction in gear box and now it wont do it. Can be jammed valve if its mechanical linkage, or voltage missing from relay if its electronical. I really hope to find some manuals... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ogurek 98 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I think you should try and contact the company directly, sending them pics of your tractor with the number plate and the chassis number. I think they will be able to help you. It's worth a try Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, ogurek said: I think you should try and contact the company directly, sending them pics of your tractor with the number plate and the chassis number. I think they will be able to help you. It's worth a try Done last week. No any reply yet from manufacturer. Also have sent serial number for couple of official part dealer. One try to get part catalog or manuals, but no replies from those either anymore. Does anyone know dismantlers of antonio carraro. I think this is so old machine that in professional use these have so big hours, that should be founded allready also from scrapyard. For me that language is big problem to find used parts. Especially those motorcovers what is in bad condition. If i have understand correctly this tractor belongs to serie 35 of antonio carraro range. Edited January 23 by tonicci Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ogurek 98 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 If you're in no rush to repair it, send me via private message few more pics, showing the chassis number and the model. Anything that could be useful to correctly identify the machine. I'll contact my dealer and ask him for you. I don't promise anything but it doesn't cost me either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Now machine unloaded. Clutch is very stiff... need force to push it down. and also Grabs fast. And it feels that Hydrostatic is completely dead. Machine moves like there is only mechanical transmission. Mechanical gears works. HST pedal dont do anything. Immediately when clutch released machine moves forward like normal transmission tractor. throttle increse the speed. somehow force go trough HST without any effect. it looks, that filters are changed. I will look at afternoon what parts was inclueded. I did found german language manual. Dont understand anything but with translator there reads "part 92 is microswitch to reverse gear".. But there is no wiring diagram including, where that can be seen. 4wd Lever was stiff. Need to be greased atleast first. I did not try it yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Now i did receive manual in English. There is lever 26. "With this lever its possible to choose between Hydraulic transmission (both direction) and mechanical gears only (forward/tractor position)" yes... machine moves mechanically like lever is on mechanical gear position bun when i move to hydraulic side, tractor dont move. Some steps noticed,while moving lever. 4wl lever moves, but not good feeling on it.. maybe cable issue?? Also founded person, who was in accident... was driving fullspeed from workplace to other workplace and car did hit behind 80km/h. Head did broke windshield. Rear beams bended, radiator package and fan broken. Motor sideplates bended, hood cracked. So.. now i need to hint where to start I upload more photos to drive. Edited January 25 by tonicci Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) I dont have facebook so My GF tried to Join Original club antonio carraro that we could ask help, but not accepted... 😪 ok.. maybe sounds strange if Finnish girl want to join italian tractor group . Someone can suspect something. I did get that English owners manual. There was some wiring diagrams but also mentioned that wiring diagrams in "separate folder" it was not inclueded. 😪 Is it so that Antonio carraro forum dont have anyone who really understand these machines??? So main issues once more shortly: 1. Hydraulic transmission side is "dead" Machine dont move at all lever in that HST position. 👎 With mechanical side gears working and it moves with all 4 gears 2 4wd is not working . lever feels stiff.. could be cable this is easier to test after HST works. 3. Some parts missing. needing help.. 1. --> how to find/diagnose root causes 2. -->need instructions to repair maybe... 3.--> need contact for dismantlers who have demolition parts and 2nd. had parts for antonio carraros. 4. Need -Wiring diagram -Sparepart catalog -Workshop manual Now more photos in drive https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YXw4ja8p63voe3c4ULm2nqiqI5R56Mgw?usp=sharing Edited January 26 by tonicci Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luca santolamazza 124 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 ma io non capisco ???? forse chiede che gli sono avanzati un po di pezzi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) il mio progetto 1. Il lato della trasmissione idraulica è "morto". La macchina non si muove affatto la leva in quella posizione HST. 👎 La macchina laterale meccanica si muove con tutte e 4 le marce 2 4wd non funziona. la leva sembra rigida .. potrebbe essere un cavo, questo è più facile da testare dopo che l'HST ha funzionato. 3. Mancano alcune parti. ho bisogno di aiuto .. 1. -> come trovare / diagnosticare le cause alla radice 2. -> Ho bisogno di istruzioni per riparare forse ... 3 .--> necessità di contatto per demolitori che hanno parti da demolire e parti di seconda mano per antonio carraros. 4. Necessità - Schema elettrico - Catalogo ricambi - Manuale officina 😃 Edited January 26 by tonicci Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cenlui 18 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 chiedo quì in quanto mi pare che sia il 3d più trattato...è vero che con gli attuali incentivi le aziende che acquistano trattori nuovi abbattono del 50% i costi del nuovo mezzo? chiedo in quanto ho visitato più di un rivenditore per una macchina usata e mi hanno detto: comprala nuova che ti viene a costare poco più dell'usato...se è vero il mercato dell'usato è finito...oppure avrà almeno un forte calo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carvigna 230 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Ma in giro tutti sti affari per l'usato sembra che non se ne trovino.....almeno per ora... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) Now sparepart catalog founded. I think have to check hst servovalve first if its working. Need adapters for pressure gauge and hydraulic diagrams or have to follow pipes. 4 pipe. Connected to block. I assume ??? Pressure from pump Free flow to tank To hst front direction To hst Rear direction If piston dont move or leak through to tank its enough that tractor wont move. Lifting arms moving, steering works so there is atleast some pressure Edited January 27 by tonicci Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lucifero 10 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 4 ore fa, carvigna ha scritto: Ma in giro tutti sti affari per l'usato sembra che non se ne trovino.....almeno per ora... I venditori stanno incassando gli ordini, ci vorranno alcuni mesi prima che arrivino gli usati. Le agevolazioni sono solamente per il 2021? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cenlui 18 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 11 ore fa, Lucifero ha scritto: I venditori stanno incassando gli ordini, ci vorranno alcuni mesi prima che arrivino gli usati. Le agevolazioni sono solamente per il 2021? si è vero, in particolare isodiametrici usati pochi per ora Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Cerco ricambi antonio carraro Supertrac 8400 HTM 2005 Guarda foto. Preferisci il pacchetto direttamente dal trattore da demolizione. Inviatemi link ad aziende o persone che vendono parti usate PM or write reply here and ask contact info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 2/9/2021 at 8:42 PM, tonicci said: Cerco ricambi antonio carraro Supertrac 8400 HTM 2005 Guarda foto. Preferisci il pacchetto direttamente dal trattore da demolizione. Inviatemi link ad aziende o persone che vendono parti usate PM or write reply here and ask contact info. Anyone know Where to ask used parts?????? Please send me contact info or send my contact info to owner who are breaking similar tractor to spareparts. Reverse gear ok now. addded 15L oil to rear differential. so now moving forward+reverse. Found that clutch housing cast part between motor and differential. is broken (cracked) so need to take engine out and same time replace clutch kit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Furio 41 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Ho trovato questi siti, se ti possono essere di aiuto. https://www.agriqo.it/it_IT/ricambi-agricoli/trattore/pc2879/antonio-carraro-b256 https://www.italianainnovazioni.com/shop/ricambi-per-macchine-agricole/131.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 6 hours ago, Furio said: Löysin nämä sivustot, jos ne voivat auttaa sinua. https://www.agriqo.it/it_IT/parts-agricoli/trattore/pc2879/antonio-carraro-b256 https://www.italianainnovazioni.com/shop/parts-per-macchine-agricole/131.html Thank you. I will look these pages. Would be best, if used broken supertrac can be founded and dismantle needed parts straight from that. New bodypanels and support pieces would be so expensive, that no sense to buy new ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Can someone put announce regarding antonio carraro parts to subito.it? They dont accept my searcing parts announce as i dont leave it from italian ip adress. Also i need to translation help. Critical parts ardered from antonio carraro but motor covers etc would like to find used parts. Send me message. I can write announce in english and send photos for attachment. + my email and phone number. Tonicci Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siesa 143 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Il 22/2/2021 Alle 04:34, tonicci ha scritto: New bodypanels and support pieces would be so expensive, that no sense to buy new ones. tonicci, I think that it would be easier for you and also less expensive to find a proper panel beater or a blacksmith near you place to rebuild the missing body panels that you need. regards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I have pullmax p5 and have built 50 cars.. 🙃 I have start to repair old panels allready. I did cut those support flatbars from inside. panels now about straight and about flat. But all support constructions grids, light boxes exhaust covers missing so would be nice to find broken tractor, where possible to buy parts. Critical parts ordered from ac to make it driving and working condition. I cant add announce to subito.it from finnish ip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siesa 143 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 tonicci, I gave a look on subito but it is very difficult not to say impossible to find those used spare parts. they sell for instance a full cabin for euro 3800 ( more or less ), but i found nothing else. Having said that, it is forbidden also for us to put an announcement for a third party. you can try : www.agriqo.it www.gbricambi.it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Damn they make people life hard... In facebook is also 2 groups for AC but i dont have facebook ant they did not accept my gf to group.. Someone must have dismantling object burned, broken chassis etc.. as those are not the "most long living" tractors in the world. but seems to be damn hard to find... I have seen in google max 2 other supertracs in finland. I assume both still in use. Ofcourse many times if you put -wanted announce, cheaters start to sent messages..." i have, no chance to sent photo, but please pay and you ged those..." 🧐 I will look those pages.... i think best chance to find the parts is, if someone here knows someone, who have this kind of machine behind barn.. And then have to write in english and close away 70% of people 😀 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siesa 143 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 you can also try " car demolition " but specialized in farming tractors, so it could be something like " demolizione trattori agricoli " as for example www.scappinitrattori.com veronesebenito.it www.oxoli.it or similars, they may also know where to direct you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonicci 2 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Thanks. I try those. I assume this supertrac is bit more used as communal tractor like in parks and cities. Maybe less in mountains and farms. Atleast those couple ac here. I have ask dealer to check prices also for these body parts, but i almost can guarantee that those cost same than what is value of tractor. Even, if ac have parts collecting dust in storage. I believe at the end this tractor looks quite custom model.😀 friend allready did promise to make light boxes from aluminium tear drop plate. I fit then leds on those. I think in 2 weeks i receice clutch housing, clutch kit as housing need to be replaced, windshield, filters, etc... then it is driving condition. Old tractor is allready sold and need to transport it for new owner in one month. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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